The Integrity Report on the Arizona State University Police Department

48 thoughts on “ASUPD Officer Stuart Ferrin. Exonerated by the courts, condemned by new age bigots and the cowards afraid of them.”

1. ComeOnNow4real says:

   January 19, 2015 at 10:14 pm

   Our state-wide infamous ASUPD police command has been working overtime for months building a case to fire Officer Ferrin. They are claiming his termination isn’t over the Professor Ore contact because he was exonerated and they don’t have a case there. They are firing him by claiming he had more complaints than other officers.

   So what, big deal, that’s not the whole story. He also had 500% more activity than any other officer with stats and activity levels off the charts. This is going to lead to a higher percentage of complaints and they know it. They are just hoping to fool somebody who doesn’t know better.

   This is one case in how they will manipulate statistics to prove their case and lie by omitting the other half of the story. They will ignore the fact they took no real progressive punitive actions against him during his first year when you are on probation. If he was so bad why didn’t they fire him then?

   They will ignore the fact the complaint from the Wells Fargo contact occurred after the arrestee heard about the Ore contact and wanted to get back at the officer for arresting him because the subject was arrested after punching Ferrin.

   Can any police officer out there imagine having the command of your department trying to gather information to end your career by collaborating with someone who assaulted you?!? Welcome to the Arizona State University Police Department!

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2. smokey261 says:

   January 20, 2015 at 5:49 am

   The university is sending a message to two parties. The message to the public is if you have any problems with a ASU police officer just complain. File complaints and attack that officer. If your officer is white and you’re not then play the race card.

   The message to every police officer in the department is you’re disposable, expect no support because you won’t be getting it. No matter who exonerated your actions, politics takes precedent.

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3. Getitright says:

   January 20, 2015 at 1:25 pm

   The university wasn’t happy about the previous court decisions and now they will be ruling on these two lawsuits. It’s going to be interesting watching this unfold and seeing all the details. I’m guessing asu’s and asupd’s management practices will be exposed.

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4. DL500unit says:

   January 20, 2015 at 7:08 pm

   If I didn’t already know how our police department conducts internal affairs on employees I would wait to see the conclusion before making a judgement on this issue. That would require trust, a positive reputation, and it’s not there.

   By knowing who has a hand in putting it together I can tell you with certainty, ethics and fairness are not a consideration. Some of these “leaders” would be stripped of their peace officer certs at Azpost if the agency forwarded their conduct for review.

   That’s not to say this rookie officer hasn’t made mistakes, of course he did! Every rookie makes plenty before getting comfortable with the job.

   Why should Stuart be any different? Because they want to fire him so bad for the politicised Orr contact and they can’t without looking like sore loser pc assholes.

   Ferrin’s activity level was off the charts and wasted at this agency, but this also increased the likelihood of complaints and that’s normal. I’m curious to see what asu is hanging their hat on to justify a termination.

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5. Embudo says:

   January 20, 2015 at 7:45 pm

   I will begin my letter writing campaign to the appropriate government officials voicing my deep concerns on how the university and ASU PD have elected to handle the Ferrin/Ore incident.

   I encourage every ASU PD employee to voice their concerns as well. If you don’t stand up and voice your concerns you could be the next victim of this institution’s malevolent leadership.

   How many competent and decent street cops have been unjustifiably and maliciously drummed out of the ASU PD over the last 14-years? Too many to count. It’s time we say enough is enough! Let’s start holding our leadership fully accountable for their actions and decision-making.

   I believe Ferrin could’ve handled the situation with Ore a lot better. Ferrin admits on television that he could’ve handled the situation with Ore better.

   But terminating Ferrin over the Ore incident? Or maliciously dredging up the past to justify the termination? Talk about the university overreaching to attempt to justify their actions and decisions.

   I support Ferrin because I feel this started as a race-based issue with Ore that was later investigated by outside entities that subsequently cleared Ferrin of any criminal civil rights violations or wrongdoing.

   I don’t support how the university and ASU PD have handled the Ferrin/Ore incident from the outset. Going through Ferrin’s personnel file with a fine-tooth comb to find past complaints/incidents that supports the university’s hidden agenda is appalling.

   That said, if Ferrin is terminated by the university on January 21, 2015, as reported by the media, I wish him and his legal counsel well on a successful and well-publicized lawsuit.

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   • Quick call Tempe! says:

     January 20, 2015 at 10:22 pm

     I found Reverend Jarrett Maupin’s credentials to make a judgement on this issue.

     http://www.azcentral.com/story/azdc/2014/07/25/strip-club-endorse-democrat-pastor-jarrett-maupin/13183595/

     Maybe he can get these dancers to the 4th floor of the Fulton center to get the uptight Crow administration to take it down notch because it’s not working for him.

   • ThySummons says:

     January 21, 2015 at 10:33 pm

     Apparently the university and ASUPD have decided not to fire Ferrin today. According to Fox 10 news, the PD has extended Ferrin’s administrative leave.

   • ThySummons says:

     January 22, 2015 at 1:37 am

     Official Statement:

     “The officer’s leave has been extended pending a decision by the Chief.”

     Mel McDonald
     Attorney for Officer Stewart Ferrin

   • smokey261 says:

     January 22, 2015 at 5:45 am

     That’s good. Maybe the heads of a university who tell the police department what to do had a moment of clarity.

     They retained the convicted criminal employee and are considering the termination of the employee she assaulted.

     The university is a place of learning, about building partnerships, building civilization, it should be able to build something out of this situation, be the good guy, and ignore the bigots trying to tear people apart on race simply to further their own cause at the expense of others.

6. Howard Roark says:

   January 21, 2015 at 10:43 am

   You generously admit that Officer Ferrin “made mistakes”. Shouldn’t we pay for our mistakes in life? Shouldn’t there be some Penance? Prof Ore is paying her Penance. What about Officer Ferrin?

   Has he offered a simple apology to the woman he thrashed in the street for daring to backtalk him?

   Anyone who says that there isn’t a problem with police abuse of power in the US has his head in the sand.

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   • Embudo says:

     January 21, 2015 at 12:04 pm

     Howard:

     We all make mistakes. But do you really think Ferrin’s interactions with Ore justifies firing the man, especially after being cleared of any wrongdoing by outside entities, including the university and ASU PD initially?

     If I recall, Ferrin went back to work after the incident and was only put on administrative leave after the incident was headline news.

     Later the university and ASU PD invested 6- or 7-months scouring his record for anything negative that would justify terminating him.

     The whole incident reeks of politics and attempting to pacify a small vocal group of citizens that played the race card.

   • ImJohnDoe says:

     January 21, 2015 at 12:06 pm

     Oh come on, Howard… Do you really think he just rolled up on her, jumped out of his car and threw her to the ground? Did it ever occur to you that there may have been some sort of conversation between them prior to the video footage that we all have seen?

     From my view, the video starts rolling well into the contact with her.

     He owes her no apology. Remember, she is the convicted criminal who kicked him!

     160,000+ cops in this country making stops every day all day long that go un noticed and you really think there is a problem with police abuse of power in the US?

     If you can do it better, I invite you sign up. Otherwise, I’d prefer you just said Thank you and went on your way.

   • yurhuckleberry says:

     January 21, 2015 at 2:56 pm

     Howard, we both have something in common, we both weren’t there during this contact, so what we know about the details is limited to what we see in the video. We can ask ourselves this, what would a reasonable person do?

     Would a reasonable person refuse to identify themselves, provide ID, when asked by the police? No.

     If a reasonable person does not like how they are being treated by a police officer should they fight with them in the street about it or comply and complain to their supervisor?

     Does a reasonable person kick a police officer when they are under arrest? For that matter is a person reasonable when they are doing something they can be arrested for?

     The entities that had all the facts which led to a decision in Ferrin’s favor based on the law are a state judge whose an attorney, two attorneys for prosecution and defence, asupd, the university, the FBI…but now based on peer pressure, protest threats, publicity, accepted minority bigotry, the university changed it’s decision and ordered ASUPDd to find something to get Ferrin and fired him.

     The court ruling didn’t satisfy some powerful private citizens who act as public servants and they are attacking a police officer to gain street cred with their white collar liberal hommies.

     Who do you want making decisions for all of us? The courts as part of the judicial branch of government we voted for or powerful individuals connected to the issue with no law or legal experience acting on their opinions?

     If you choose the latter you truly shouldn’t be calling yourself an American. If the court made a ruling I didn’t agree with I would protest it using my other freedoms the way this blog does. I would not use my authority as a police officer, public university president, provost, to subvert the courts and punish the person exonerated.

7. Howard Roark says:

   January 21, 2015 at 2:13 pm

   Embudo and Imjondoe, No, I don’t think he should lose his job. I never said that. I said he has to do some sort of Penance, such as apologize. The most I’ve heard in his interviews is that, “On thinking about it, I would have done things differently”.

   I’m not impressed with his being exonerated. Lots of guilty people are exonerated.

   It is obvious to me that he lost his temper and got unnecessarily physical with Prof Ore when she disrepected him with backtalk. That is not the personality that I would want on the police force, but since he didn’t severely injure her, fortunately, I don’t think he should lose his job. But to paint him as totally innocent in all of this is just too much.

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   • yurhuckleberry says:

     January 21, 2015 at 4:50 pm

     Howard, that night an activist who studies lynchings and civil war era hate and murder by whites against blacks was walking down the center of the street looking for conflict with a white officer, a white figure of authority.

     If he was black this would not have the sensationalism attached to it. This officer isn’t a rascist. There have been some racists in the department tolerated by our former chief. He went on his mission to Chile, hardly the place for a white racist.

     Racists who get the most attention nowadays are predominantly black and try to make some connection to victims of past racism while using their race as a weapon. Nothing, not even conventional terrorism, scares white public officials more than black racists.

     The city of Tempe is full of officers patrolling at night in that area and as luck would have it she found our most inexperienced officer at the time who was recently released from a failed training program that was completely revamped within a year.

     Instead of focusing on one new lowly officer for all the department problems the focus needs to go up the chain to people who were supposed to be managing issues, supposed to know what’s going on, identifying problems, and solving those problems. The university ignores that.

     The longer they do the more we will fight to expose them for doing so because it’s the right thing to do. Ore is convicted of crimes and gets to keep her job. The victim of those crimes loses his. Does that seem right to you?

   • ImJohnDoe says:

     January 21, 2015 at 6:27 pm

     Howard, if all you got out of his interviews is that he would do things differently then you have not been paying attention.

     I heard him say that based on his training and experience at that time he stands by his actions. 8 months later he has probably thought of other ways he could have approached her but in my mind, it didn’t matter how he approached her, she was going to be antagonistic and the end result would be the same.

     Also, I never saw him lose his temper. I heard him say he didn’t want to fight with her and to put her hands behind her back. I also saw him use great restraint when she turned around and kicked him. Would you have been so calm?

     Bottom line is we all have opinions and you and I are not going to sway each other. You keep your and I’ll keep mine.

     In the mean time, if you still think you can do it better, my invitation to apply for the job is still open.

   • Embudo says:

     January 21, 2015 at 9:14 pm

     Howard:

     The legal system rendered the decision on Ferrin’s interaction with Ore based on the facts.

   • WheresMy907 says:

     January 21, 2015 at 9:38 pm

     Howard, I apologize when I hurt someone’s feelings, even if I feel I did nothing wrong. I have empathy. I think both parties could benefit from apologizing because both could have handled this better.

     It’s disgusting the university is ignoring every official decision to force their own conclusion. Let Reverend Maupin protest, he’s a race baiting asshole and nobody worth a damn gives a shit. Arizona isn’t Missouri and if he hasn’t realized it yet he will come to understand it. The title of this article speak to this situation perfectly!

8. WheresMy907 says:

   January 21, 2015 at 9:27 pm

   Unfortunately most people don’t understand what it’s like to deal with people as a police officer. When they understand more they are thankful they don’t have to.

   For Mr. Roark and anyone else not familiar with this area of Tempe at night it’s not the place you want to be walking down the middle of the street. With so many places to drink there are plenty of people behind the wheel that shouldn’t be.

   As a public safety officer you should’t ignore someone walking down the street in this area and just hope they are ok, hope they don’t get hit by a drunk driver and left for dead. Besides, we’re ASUPD, it’s not like we have anything better to do, so protecting a life by taking the time to investigate what the situation is makes sense.

   A police officer always wants to know who they’re talking to, that’s for our safety. Are we out with someone who has a mile long rap sheet, a murdering felon, someone who will shoot us in the face to avoid going to prison? Maybe, maybe not, you don’t know.

   You don’t know until your dispatcher runs the information on a subject’s ID, or information provided verbally, and gets back to you. This means you need their truthful name and date of birth, their ID. Why was that so hard for Professor Ore to give? Did she want this attention knowing she would get sympathy, support, notoriety? I don’t know. The university was duped and this was predictable. She set an example for the students and the university is upholding that example.

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9. ASUPDsmokeNmirrors says:

   January 21, 2015 at 10:17 pm

   When she started fighting with him and refusing to cooperate does anyone think that’s normal acceptable behavior? Clearly Ore had issues and I also get the feeling she was looking for a fight, looking for attention because she has an axe to grind. If she was intoxicated I would think differently, but this seems calculated because she wasn’t impaired.

   Normal sober people don’t fight with the police. She made her point. She’s as much a bigot as the people from the past that disgust her in her course work. She lives in the past she never lived in. Why didn’t she play this game with city cops? She would have had no recourse, no big money sympathetic ear to sue for money and imaginary damages.

   This woman is a fraud and it’s a shame she’s trying to falsely attach herself to the civil rights movement. Those people were heroes and she’s nothing but an opportunist. To the university leadership she’s a god damn hero. What an example to set for the students. Really?

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   • DontLOLmeJP says:

     January 22, 2015 at 9:03 am

     There’s a word for people who fight and assault the police, they’re called criminals. Despite being presented otherwise everyone knows this firing is political and over the Ore contact.

     If it’s not, then fight it out. It’s either that or concede. Either way you look at it there will be many questions about how the university is managed.

10. DontLOLmeJP says:

    January 22, 2015 at 8:55 am

    Maybe the rush to judgement by the university was interrupted by a moment of clarity.

    I’m not saying I don’t respect the opinion of Reverend Maupin because I do on another issue, not police work or what constitutes civil rights.

    As a reverend and man of God I would like to believe he could provide an honest review on something he does have experience in; strip clubs.

    Does the Alaskan Bush Company have beautiful and talented dancers? Do they have a good happy hour, food? We’re the lap dances and private sessions a good value?

    https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&ei=8hrBVKC2HMTmsASOnYG4Dw&q=maupin+strip+club&oq=maupin+strip+club&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.12…2618.12920.0.13971.19.18.1.5.5.0.285.3649.0j6j11.17.0.msedr…0…1c.1.61.mobile-gws-hp..7.12.1453.3.5f87Yx2TYsk

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    • popo39machine says:

      January 23, 2015 at 4:41 pm

      And the university is taking this guy seriously? Ok.

11. popo39machine says:

    January 23, 2015 at 4:32 pm

    It’s a no brainer for decency and public relations, but thumbs up for whoever decided to extend Stuart’s leave so his family had coverage for their new baby. If only they can figure out that they are punishing the wrong employee, while rewarding the other as she sues them.

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12. Howard Roark says:

    January 24, 2015 at 7:32 am

    yurhuckleberry,
    You are making unsubstantiated remarks about Prof Ore’s character. These do not help your position. You have no evidence that they are true, you are just making unaccountable speculations. Here is your statement:

    “Howard, that night an activist who studies lynchings and civil war era hate and murder by whites against blacks was walking down the center of the street looking for conflict with a white officer, a white figure of authority.”

    Prof Ore is an English professor, not a History professor, so why do you say she studies lynchings? Even if she did, why would you conclude that she was out looking for conflict?

    That’s as bad as saying that Officer Ferrin is a white policeman on a power trip who resents minorities, and treats them differently than he does white citizens. There’s no evidence for that either, although some have suggested it.

    Imjohndoe, You suggest that Officer Ferrin has expressed personal regret for his actions. Not, “Looking back, I would have done things differently”, which is a non-apology. Can you provide some links on this, as I’d really like to read them?

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    • indeedYOUsay says:

      January 24, 2015 at 11:28 am

      You’re right Howard, I thought the same thing. Why would an English professor study what sounds more like a history professor direction? That doesn’t make any sense.

      Like all great researchers of late, I went to a website named Google, typed in “ersula ore lynchings” and there was quite a bit of hits on it making this information readily available.

      https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=ersula+ore+lynchings

      It’s even on her ASU page.

      http://asu.academia.edu/ErsulaOre

      Make what you will of it, but it’s there.

    • OneFlewOverTheCuckoo'sPD says:

      January 24, 2015 at 12:08 pm

      Howard, it’s clear whom you’re siding with. That’s fine. You can play devil’s advocate and side with whomever you choose.

    • ImJohnDoe says:

      January 24, 2015 at 12:09 pm

      Oh Howard….. Perhaps you should take a reading comprehension class. I looked back through my posts just to make sure and not once did I say that Officer Ferrin has expressed personal regret for his actions. In fact, I said that he said that given his training and experience at the time, he stands by his actions of that night.

      Today, would he have approached her differently? Perhaps….but it’s easy to sit back in our lazy boy recliner after the fact and second guess the split second decisions of our law enforcement officers.

      Why is racism alive and well today? Because a small vocal section of the African American population uses it as a crutch and a rally cry rather than accepting responsibility for their own actions, ala Professor Ore.

      I saw on the news that Off. Ferrin is LDS. If you check the history books, you will find that the Governor of Missouri, in the late 1800’s, issued an extermination order against the Mormons.

      Ive never heard a mormon persecute anyone from Missouri based on their birthplace. Im pretty sure there are probably even mormons living in the state of Missouri and I doubt that when they get stopped by the police, the first thing out of their mouth is, “you only stopped me because Im mormon”.

      What we see today is not the dream that MLK had. That poor man is probably rolling over in his grave right now…

    • JustTheFacts says:

      January 24, 2015 at 2:22 pm

      I don’t know Howard…most of it looks somewhat substantiated Howard. The part I question is the fact we can only guess whether or not she had intent on confronting “the man” that night or another time. HAs she done this before?

      Of all the people Officer Stuart Ferrin could have contacted late at night partying in Tempe he stumbled across an ASU English professor studying the history of U.S. white vs. black racism.

      Anyone walking down the middle of the street at night in Tempe won’t get far without eventually getting contacted by the police. He’s either the unluckiest guy in the world or there’s little coincidence here.

      Most professors who want to get noticed do so by merit. They do research and write books. They aren’t walking the streets late at night fighting with the police because they demand respect, but offer none in return. She has a problem with authority, broke the law, and cannot accept responsibility for her actions. Her lawsuit is the proof. She still has a job with ASU and she’s suing?!? Come on. Officer Ferrin needs to learn verbal judo, learn from his mistakes like we all do, and become more experienced as an officer. He’s guilty of inexperience and that’s what the department is going to crucify him on.

    • guerriero says:

      January 24, 2015 at 11:15 pm

      The facts check out, this English professor cares a lot about racism. Race hustlers like Ersula Ore, Al Sharpton, and Reverend Maupin are forever trying to convince Americans that racism is everywhere, despite all evidence to the contrary.

      Racism shouldn’t ever be tolerated, but people only pay attention when it comes from blacks accusing whites and that is also racist. Isn’t it strange how the racism allegation came out much later after the Ore arrest?

      If that was the cause that would have been the first claim and it wasn’t. The claim was brought without merit to damage the officer’s reputation.

13. indeedYOUsay says:

    January 24, 2015 at 12:05 pm

    I heard the news Stuart was given an extended leave. I know his family was put in a difficult place expecting another child and not having insurance coverage before the delivery. Whoever was a part of the decision to extend his leave made the right decision, but they still need to consider the whole picture.

    The university had two employees part of this incident, one was convicted of a crime, the other wasn’t. Why are they employing the convict and not the victim of their assault? Stuart needs more experience as an officer the way Ersula needs more experience as a professor. With a titanic clash of egos both parties led to the outcome of this contact. Can anyone prove me wrong?

    I can’t understand the move to terminate Stuart and retain Ersula other than the fact the university leadership is pandering to their peers like the provost who was in violation of ASU policy for sending out politically charged emails on the subject. They are fearful of more negative coverage and pandering to bigoted reverends who see this only in terms of color.

    Your title for this article is perfect, “ASUPD Officer Stuart Ferrin. Exonerated by the courts, condemned by new age bigots and the cowards afraid of them.” Right now I look at Dr. Crow, Chief Thompson, and all the people involved in the termination of Stuart as cowards who are afraid of the real issues here and are trying to sacrifice a young man’s career to make it go away.

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    • guerriero says:

      January 24, 2015 at 7:48 pm

      The university has a peculiar way of administering justice. Sometimes I wonder if they are taking the time to think critically about these issues or merely reacting to whims and pressure from colleagues and of touch self-serving look at me activist types.

    • Embudo says:

      January 25, 2015 at 5:11 am

      Extending Ferrin’s administrative leave was merely a political decision by the university’s leadership and Chief Thompson.

      Can you imagine the negative PR and fallout if the university, through Chief Thompson, had actually fired Ferrin the day before his baby girl was born?

14. Semper Fidelis says:

    January 27, 2015 at 12:28 pm

    Why would Ferrin want to come back to the PD or work for this university in any capacity after what he and his family are being subjected to?

    If we were to give Ferrin some sound advice it’d be to sue Arizona State University for big bucks and move on.

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    • fixmycorruptpd says:

      January 27, 2015 at 3:06 pm

      If Ferrin is able to defeat the paper pile trap they set for him and is able to return he can count on the usual hit man tactics employed by command and their pets.

      So far we have the same bozos in command we always had. The one’s who left mentored the one’s here today.

      A former assistant chief was heard saying, “I can’t believe they hired him! I told them not to hire that asshole!”

      This was heard shortly after an officer successfully left ASUPD for another police agency.

      Pickens, his assistant chiefs, and commanders have done this for years despite it being a direct violation of labor law.

      Besides being a violation of law this practice is another example of the low moral character one will encounter by making a career here.

    • yolo says:

      January 28, 2015 at 11:12 am

      For such a small police department we have and have had so many pissed off employees. People say disgruntled…that doesn’t even cover it.

      Is this because all these people were and are bad employees? No. It’s the management. This is the worst management I’ve ever heard of. Even the no brainer stuff is missed!

15. Howard Roark says:

    January 30, 2015 at 10:04 am

    Imjohndoe, I was responding to your comment that there was more to his interviews than he would do things differently. See your quote below. I thought that meant that he was showing some atom of remorse, but I guess not. All you’ve added is that he has expressed his concern that his training was inadequate. Well, that’s weak.

    “Howard, if all you got out of his interviews is that he would do things differently then you have not been paying attention.

    I heard him say that based on his training and experience at that time he stands by his actions.”

    I’ve viewed the full video. Here is what looks like happened to me:

    1) Prof Ore is jaywalking and is stopped by Officer Ferrin.
    2) Officer Ferrin asks for ID.
    3) Prof Ore expresses dismay by this request. Says, “Are you kidding?”
    4) The conflict escalates. Both Officer Ferrin and Prof Ore start losing their cool.
    5) Officer Ferrin demands that Prof Ore put her hands behind her back. (For WHAT crime? Not jaywalking, but certainly backtalk) She refuses.
    6) Officer Ferrin grabs Prof Ore and manhandles her, and throws her to the ground. Tells her that he is going to throw her on the car. (Is this the polite, respectful treatment that you were referring to?)
    7) After Prof Ore is pulled up from the ground, she loses her cool and kicks Officer Ferrin lightly on the shin. (I notice that some people have inverted the order of these events, saying that Prof Ore first kicked the Officer. I suppose that improves the rhetoric of their view of what happened.)
    8) Other Officers intercede and calm things down.

    So, in my view, Officer Ferrin grossly over-reacted, and became disrespectful and physical over nothing. And the best I read about his view is that, “He would have done things differently.”

    I read a comment from a colleague of Officer Ferrin’s that said he thought the Officer should be removed from the force before he really hurts someone. Maybe so, or maybe not. But, he clearly needs anger management, like so many officers do.

    Officers frequently flip out in anger over absolutely nothing. I mean zero. And then the police apologists rush in with their usual statements like “Well, they’re doing a tough job, so you’ve got to understand.” or “Just do everything they demand (no matter how disrespectful or outrageous) and everything will be OK.) The police apologists come out in force, but an apology from the actual police is unheard of, practically.

    So, in case you haven’t been noticing, there is a real feeling in the country that police abuse is out of hand. This has been made patently real to the folks at home by the use of video cameras that show in graphic detail how bad it sometimes is.

    So, my ultimate point is that I would expect some shred of remorse from Officer Ferrin for his actions. Not just, “Oh, my training was inadequate (translation, it was someone else’s fault).” or, “I would have done things differently”.

    Someone here said I was playing devil’s advocate. No, I truly believe what I am writing about.

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    • Embudo says:

      January 30, 2015 at 1:14 pm

      Howard, I’m glad you truly believe in what you’re writing about.

      Maybe in the end, the Ferrin/Ore debacle will distill into something positive for ASU and its police department that has been poorly managed for years.

    • Justanotherdispensible50 says:

      January 30, 2015 at 2:56 pm

      Howard, how about some facts to supplement your diet of liberal anti-police bullshit.

      A few anecdotal stories does not constitute an epidemic. There are more than 900,000 sworn law enforcement officers now serving in the United States.

      According to the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports, an estimated 1.16 million violent crimes occurred nationwide in 2013.

      Currently, there are 20,267 names engraved on the walls of the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial. That doesn’t include the deaths from suicide working in this line of work you dismiss as indifferent as Mike Crow and his comfortable, safe, staff.

      A total of 1,501 law enforcement officers died in the line of duty during the past 10 years, an average of one death every 58 hours or 150 per year. There were 100 law enforcement officers killed in 2013.

      On average, over the last decade, there have been 58,930 assaults against law enforcement each year, resulting in 15,404 injuries. In one year Officer Ferrin was assaulted twice that I know of.

      If you think you can do it better then apply today because by the time they are done with your application we will have lost 3-4 officers because they got fed up with internal department pricks and their bullshit, the elitist pricks of this university and their bullshit, and the uninformed public that still thinks cops should be able to shoot the weapons out of suspects hands to avoid killing them…more Bullshit.

    • ImJohnDoe says:

      January 31, 2015 at 10:31 am

      My dear friend Howard,

      You are quite adept at speaking to things of which you have no knowledge. TV shows do not accurately portray police work and it seems to me that is where all of your experience comes from.

      Man up, walk the walk, and we’ll see if your tune changes.

      So, you viewed the “full video” and now you know the full story, right? Wrong!

      First, she wasn’t jay walking. Statutorily, it is impossible to jay walk right there. But then, you wouldn’t know that. She actually committed a misdemeanor offense which is very different from a civil traffic violation. Of course, you probably wouldn’t know that either.

      Your right. Ferrin asked for ID. As she committed a misdemeanor, she is required to ID herself. I wonder how many times off camera he asked her to comply? If you watch the video, you’ll notice Ferrin tells the other employee with him to activate the camera. This means to me that some conversation for some amount of time took place prior to the video. Of course, you wouldn’t know that.

      I have neither the time nor patience to go through your post point by point. Suffice it to say that when a police officer is effecting an arrest, and the arrestee resists, quick and decisive action is required on the part of the officer. You can find plenty of videos on YouTube where officers were injured and/or killed by resisting suspects. Of course, you wouldn’t know what that’s like because you sit back in the comforts of your living room, behind the anonymity of a computer screen, passing judgement on those who risk their lives protecting yours.

      Have you ever run towards the gunfire, Howard? I have. You should go on a ride along with your local police agency and see what it is really like.

      When you get home you can then hide behind a computer again and tell us all how tough you are……

16. guerriero says:

    January 30, 2015 at 6:27 pm

    Howard, I’ll agree that both Stuart and Ersela need some instruction on appropriate ways to interact with others. He’s cocky, young, inexperienced, but what is Ersela? A liar, opportunist, a racist, a self-righteousness adult incapable of admitting her mistakes? You expect Ferrin to admit regret, where did she?

    Explain your understanding of her problems.

    The facts check out, this English professor cares a lot about racism. Race hustlers like Ersula Ore, and Al Sharpton are forever trying to convince Americans that racism is everywhere, despite all evidence to the contrary.

    Racism shouldn’t ever be tolerated, but people only pay attention when it comes from blacks accusing whites and that is also racist. Isn’t it strange how the racism allegation came out much later after the Ore arrest?

    If that was the cause that would have been the first claim and it wasn’t. The claim was brought without merit to damage the officer’s reputation.

    I’m proud of reverend Maupin for taking a second look at the facts and siding with Officer Ferrin because he realized Ore’s claims are false and taking the thunder from the true victims of racist police who are out there.

    If I thought Ferrin was a racist I would want him gone asap because I don’t want to bear that shame because we wear the same patch.

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17. Howard Roark says:

    January 30, 2015 at 6:55 pm

    Justanotherdispensible50 What relevance does your litany of factoids have on the current discussion? They come off as apologist justification for police brutality. Do you understand that some members of the police force actually do commit unwarranted brutal acts? And you are OK with that because, because, because, “Its a really hard job!!”.

    Of course it’s a hard job, and most police deserve great praise and admiration. And when they really screw up, they don’t.

    You diminish my humanity by putting me in a box, discounting me as a “liberal”. You sound like someone who consumes a steady diet of right-wing hate radio. What’s with your affection for the word “bullshit”, anyway?

    My simple point here is, Officer Ferrin really screwed up, and needs to do some Penance. A simple apology or acknowledgement of the fact that he went overboard would be refreshing. But no, too arrogant, too convinced of his own righteousness. Much like the police apologists.

    I don’t think he should be fired.

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18. RUkiddingMe says:

    January 30, 2015 at 8:51 pm

    Howard, I’m guessing the point of Justanotherdispensible50 was what they said, “a few anecdotal stories does not constitute an epidemic. There are more than 900,000 sworn law enforcement officers now serving in the United States.”

    That means people who understand statistics would laugh at your claims about a big problem and too few numbers to back up the claim.

    Nobody is making any more excuses for Officer Ferrin than you are making for Professor Ore. The fact is they both need to work on some issues.

    The problem is you can’t admit the professor needs to work on things or made mistakes. You ignore hers and focus on his. Sounds like a good use of the word “bullshit”.

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    • Howard Roark says:

      January 30, 2015 at 9:03 pm

      wow, you didn’t address a single thing I said. We certainly agree that they both need to face some issues. Prof Ore is paying the price of her mistakes. Is Officer Ferrin? I don’t think so. It’s all, “I wasn’t trained properly”, or “I would do things differently”.

      Not, “I really screwed up, and over-reacted, and owe her an apology”.

      And I do think she owes him an apology, too. But, she is now paying a heavy price for her mistakes. Is Officer Ferrin? Did he really do nothing wrong?

    • Supervisor Facepalm says:

      January 31, 2015 at 2:47 am

      Howard, Did something change I’m not aware of?

      Is she not getting paid as an ASU employee, single and no children and he’s being terminated after being assaulted by this ASU employee, a father of two supporting his family?

      I’ll say it again, just different.

      She keeps her career, gets a misdemeanor and community service, he loses his career and livelihood, makes no accusation of his attacker, while getting branded as a racist by her false claims.

      Did either one of these comparisons make sense to you?

      You say she’s paying a heavy price and he’s not? Ok Howard, whatever you say.

    • Embudo says:

      January 31, 2015 at 4:47 am

      Howard, I’d say that Ferrin and his family has already paid a high price by being jerked around for 8-months by indecisive and cowardly leaders running the university and the PD.

      Conversely, Ore keeps her job after assaulting Ferrin and is now suing her employer, Arizona State University, for $2 million. What a freaking travesty!

    • Howard Roark says:

      February 2, 2015 at 12:45 pm

      Supervisor Facepalm, I do think the punishments have been unequal here. Prof Ore now has a criminal record and is performing many months of community service and parole. Both she and Officer Ferrin have been getting paid throughout. Officer Ferrin has not lost his job, and I hope that he doesn’t, as that would be too much. But, there should be SOME penalty to pay for his actions, which the video clearly shows as unacceptable anger and violence. Are you saying that the notoriety of the debacle and having to sit home all of these months is punishment enough? I would agree, IF he would have the humility to simply acknowledge what the video shows; that he grossly over-reacted and became unnecessarily violent.

      Imjohndoe, Your vitriol against me is disrespectful and immature. Honestly, if you can’t have a civil disagreement, you really don’t belong on these discussion sites.

      Anyway, I reiterate that I hope he doesn’t lose his job. But there should be some real penalty and acknowledgement by him for his wrongdoing.

19. JustTheFacts says:

    February 2, 2015 at 3:04 pm

    Hello Howard, Ferrin was more aggressive in the Ore contact than some officers would be, but there are plenty of officers who, like him, wouldn’t put up with her resistance for no apparent reason. To the public this is no big deal, however this resistance to a police officer red flag.

    This is an indication that something else may be going on, maybe she is running from something, has a warrant for their arrest, is violating parole…and a show of weakness might give the contact the feeling they can take you. Officers get shot, stabbed , and assaulted when they don’t guard against this and get complacent.

    That’s something you would know if you were a police officer. Knowing now she’s pretty much a harmless professor I would have met with her to smooth over things before they got out of hand, she had the opportunity to have a make peace and break bread meeting with Ferrin and Reverend Maupin. Why wasn’t she there?

    Honestly, the latest SNAFU at the department is more newsworthy than the Ferrin/Ore contact. It has nearly every charge Ferrin was accused of and this time it sounds truthful.

    False arrest, false reporting by police, endangerment, civil rights violations, overly aggressive policing, violations of department policy, negligent supervision, but this time it shows the problem isn’t with one officer as the university would like the public to believe. It’s a problem that affects a dangerous percentage of this agency.

    They are scared to death this will get news attention because it sounds like the defendants have a case against the department and it’s embarrassing.

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